Legislature(2007 - 2008)CAPITOL 106

02/01/2007 08:00 AM House STATE AFFAIRS


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* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
*+ HB 21 DISPOSAL OF STATE FLAG TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
*+ HB 19 LIMITED DRIVER'S LICENSES TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 19(STA) Out of Committee
*+ HB 38 IMPROPER CONTRIBUTIONS TO LEGISLATORS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
*+ HB 58 EXEC. BRANCH ETHICS:INTERESTS & ACTIONS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
HB  58-EXEC. BRANCH ETHICS:INTERESTS & ACTIONS                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:46:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN  announced that the  last order of business  was HOUSE                                                               
BILL  NO. 58,  "An  Act  relating to  a  public officer's  taking                                                               
official action  regarding a matter  in which the  public officer                                                               
has a  financial interest; and  defining 'official  action' under                                                               
the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act and related law."                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:46:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LES  GARA, Alaska State Legislature,  presented HB
58 as  joint prime  sponsor.   He said the  bill would  close the                                                               
executive   branch   ethics   loophole   discovered   after   the                                                               
investigation of  Alaska's former attorney general.   He reviewed                                                               
that the ethics code exempts  unethical conduct if it involves an                                                               
insignificant interest in  a matter.  The  attorneys who reviewed                                                               
the attorney  general's case  said they  could not  state whether                                                               
$100,000  interest   in  a  coal   company  was   significant  or                                                               
insignificant.    Both  the  Personnel  Board  and  investigating                                                               
attorneys   recommended   that   the  state   define   the   word                                                               
"significant."                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA said Governor  Sarah Palin has suggested that                                                               
significant is anything more than  $5,000; however, he said after                                                               
some consideration he decided the  longer solution provided in HB
58 is  the best answer.   He said  it is  not a violation  of the                                                               
ethics code  just to have an  interest in a matter  that is being                                                               
discussed.  He continued:                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     A  separate section  of  the code  that  you can't  see                                                                    
     inside of any of these  bills that exist says there are                                                                    
     all  these series  of prohibited  conducts.   And  what                                                                    
     they  are  actions  where  you  intentionally  try  and                                                                    
     benefit yourself.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA  said the issue  of proving the  person tried                                                               
to benefit his/her own personal  financial interest is already in                                                               
the ethics code and  no one is trying to change  that part of the                                                               
language.   The  second question  is  whether or  not the  person                                                               
should be exempted  from that requirement because  "the thing you                                                               
tried to benefit was so insignificant it doesn't matter."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA  reiterated that Governor Palin's  bill would                                                               
set the amount at $5,000.  He  said the problem with that is that                                                               
it's not  just ownership in a  company that matters.   He offered                                                               
the following example:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     What  happens  if  you're  the  attorney  general,  you                                                                    
     negotiate a  deal involving a coal  company that you're                                                                    
     sitting on the board of?   You probably don't make very                                                                    
     much  money as  a  board  member, but  if  you try  and                                                                    
     benefit  that company  and you're  on  the board,  that                                                                    
     should  be prohibited,  even though  ... you  don't own                                                                    
     $5,000 of an interest.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     What happens  if ... you  have some sort  of employment                                                                    
     relationship  or  contractual  relationship  with  that                                                                    
     company [and]  you ... negotiate  a deal that  is aimed                                                                    
     to  benefit  the  coal  company?    That  should  be  a                                                                    
     problem,  even  though  you  don't  own  $5,000  of  an                                                                    
     interest in the company.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA listed some  legislators who have pointed out                                                               
the  aforementioned  example.   He  said  HB  58 would  label  as                                                               
significant anything that  is "more than $5,000  or ownership" or                                                               
"if  you're  a  board  member or  employee,  have  a  contractual                                                               
relationship  with the  company,"  and intend  to benefit  [from]                                                               
that interest.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:51:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN announced that HB 58 was heard and held.                                                                             

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